The podcast with Expert Insights for Navigating the Modern Job Market. Hi, my name is Renata Bernarde. In 2018, I left my job to help others get their careers on track. My love for coaching started at a very young age. Over time, I realized that many professionals don’t know how recruitment & selection work, which negatively impacts their career progression. Today I host The Job Hunting Podcast and I also have a series of career services for corporate professionals. My signature coaching program is called Job Hunting Made Simple, a roadmap teaching professionals the steps and framework to make career advancement simpler and less stressful. Please subscribe, leave me a rating, write a review, and let the people you care about know about this podcast. You can also learn more about me and my coaching services on www.renatabernarde.com Do you want me to be a guest on your podcast? Speak at your event? Coach you? Reach out via email at email@example.com, and let’s make it happen!
Monday Dec 21, 2020
Monday Dec 21, 2020
From the moment I decided to start a podcast, Lynne Cazaly was on the top of my list of potential guests. There’s something about her leadership style, her unassuming way, and the quiet confidence that she exudes, making her the perfect guest speaker. Last year, while trying to lock her in to record this episode, she was the hardest guest to pin down: she was in such high demand as a conference speaker, she was never in Melbourne long enough for us to get together. Now with COVID and quarantine, life has changed, we zoomed in, and finally, we had our chat a few weeks ago.
Lynne’s training and speaking gigs have included working for Australia's largest organizations, like Telstra, Australia Post, nab, CBA, and the AFL. She regularly travels to New Zealand, where she has a loyal following and delivers training and keynotes. Lynne has also done keynotes, workshops, and training in Europe, the USA, and Asia.
Her latest book, “ish: The Problem with our Pursuit for Perfection and the Life-Changing Practice of Good Enough,” got a lot of media attention. Lynne was interviewed extensively on TV and in magazines. The topic of perfectionism is one that everyone can relate to, and for that reason, I was able to see my friend in many morning TV shows over many weeks!
In this interview, we have pivoted the discussion about perfectionism to focus mostly on career planning, job hunting, and the selection and recruitment process. A “perfect” resume, a “perfect” match for the key selection criteria, giving the “perfect” answer to an interview question, “the perfect” job, being the “perfect” candidate” - these are sayings we through around all the time whilst job hunting. But they impact our mindset and create an unhealthy, unhelpful, and not sustainable expectation. I hope that after listening to this episode, you will feel free from "perfectionism" and ready to embrace "good enough"!
- 5:08 - Lynne’s career progression and her experience in the corporate sector of the need to be perfect
- 8:55 - Difference between going for perfect, which is impossible, versus going for complete and accurate information, which is an achievable goal
- 10:35 - Perfectionism, job hunting, and how to improvise
- 13:50 - How Lynne wrote the book using improv techniques and how this is a great example of how to treat your resume, and the concept of version control
- 22:25 - How “Perfect” is still expected: in the recruitment and selection world, and the corporate world in general: Lynne’s tips to dealing with sectors and industries where perfectionism is expected. 3 main types of Perfectionism.
- 26:30 - Me explaining the dissonance between the perfect picture put together by companies for job applicants when they go to market looking to hire versus the candidate working solo trying to meet what is most times “over the top” expectations from recruiters and hiring managers.
- 29:13 - The Pareto Principle: How job hunters can prepare themselves for the job market and not worry about not being “perfect.”
- 31:57 - Why putting more effort into something can actually get you worse results and the idea of iterative improvement of resumes
Links mentioned in this episode:
- Special Covid-19 Resources for Job-Hunters and Working-From-Home Professionals
- Subscribe to Reset your Career
- Lynne Cazaly’s website – where you can also buy her books
- Lynne Cazaly’s Instagram
- Lynne Cazaly’s LinkedIn profile
- Download a transcript of this episode
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